A KAYLA & CHLOE INTERVIEW

WSA: An Interview by Kris of THEM.

June 1^st. 2009

Note: Whilst not having a similar image of a handshake or indication of agreement to hand to inaugurate the mutual treaty between the nexions, those familiar with Alchemy in the medieval sense will recognize the high compliment paid to the two Mistresses with the interchange of lilac and green.

ISS,

[ONANXS: Please note that the original lilac and green has been made black because they were near impossible to read with our current background.]

Chloe, Kayla, thank you both for agreeing to be interviewed by our Nexion. It is both an honour and a privilege. This mutual interview forms part of an official announcement concerning the Alliance of our two nexions with the Order of Nine Angles forging one Triumvirate. I thank you, and welcome you to the Syndicate on behalf of the Temple and the Sinisterion. You have encountered a lot of resistance – some due to Traditional methods of testing, some simply due to the arrogance of others, including myself. May that be laid to rest and the Sinister Tradition enter a new era of its Cosmic Wheel with the WSA, Temple of THEM, and ONA in Co-operation.

Q – The White Star Acception, aka WSA, which emerged seemingly out of nowhere onto the Traditional Satanic circuit, has been enjoying a meteoric rise to fame and acceptance from the outer and inner echelons of the ONA. The fresh-faced professionalism and energy your group has shown toward Myatt/the ONA/and Satanism has been instrumental in giving the traditional facade of the ONA the equivalent of a face-lift. As the rising young sorceresses behind this transformation of the Order – what do you attribute this success to?

Chloe: I would attribute our success to something thus far unnamed or not yet identified by anyone in the Order. Or at least I haven’t come across it as of yet. There is a book by Napoleon Hill called “Think and Grow Rich,” in which Mr. Hill talks about an occult phenomenon known as a “Master Mind.”

Mr. Hill says that a when two [or more] minds come together who “resonate” with each other, they psychically give birth to a “third” ethereal mind. What Jung might perhaps call the “Collective Unconscious” or a collective mind of a group. This “collective mind” is psychically “alive” and thus like any living being desires to continue living – and evolving.

The ONA also has it’s Master Mind, which is what makes the Order a “living, evolving entity” as Myatt has stated often.

This Entity, which the ONA is, perhaps was ready to evolve and progress, so it attracted us to it at the right time, and influenced its causal parts (those Adepts and Old Guard) to desire change and progression. I suppose you can say, on an exoteric level, that the Order was ready for change, our WSA came out of nowhere at the right time, and were given help by the right people. But do things and people really “come out of nowhere” in regards to the ONA?

Kayla- To something called “Supply and Demand.” I tend to see the ONA as a business… one that has been established for say 30 years or 40. It used to sell really cool “product” to it’s market; but as the generations pasted this market changed, and the product didn’t. This was due to a lack of being empathetic to the market’s current needs.

Satanism during the 60’s and 70’s worked for the market back then because it gave the market a means to realize their human needs, which was the need to break out of the conservative grip of the 50’s. This would be why the LaVeyan variety was so successful during this early era – because it gave that market what they needed.

After the sexual revolution came and went, that form of Satanism’s product stop selling great – because now the Market had other needs and concerns – Race. The 80’s was an era when the Neo-Nazi Movement began to transform from just a belief system into a powerful physical force. I don’t think it was a coincidence that Traditional Satanism (a la ONA) rose to prominence at this point in time – because Anton Long was able to “feel” the Market and give them what they wanted. By this I mean that AL was able to reconfigurate the outer form of the Dark Tradition in tune to the market at the time.

What happened during the 90’s? The younger kids during the 80’s all grew up as young adults and inherited the market. This meant a major change in the market. A change which no form or species of Satanism (neither most other organized religions and institutions) were in tune to. This caused what we see around us – the Temple of Set fading into obscurity; the Church of Satan literally turning into a parking lot; the dark ages of the ONA. While all these once great institutions twirled into oblivion, the home made variety, do-it-yourself personalized Theistic Satanism exploded briefly, but that explosion had dwindled. Which left the market looking for something.

That’s when WSA came in. We took our personal ONA and we reconfigurated it’s outer form – in tune with the Market current 21st century’s needs and concerns. I might be young, not even 30. I might not be the smartest or most read person in the business of Satanism; but I have something valuable to offer – my eyes – my 21st century eyes. These eyes that can see the dawning light of the new aeon; and my mind. My mind which knows and understands the actual needs of my generation.

The only reason why WSA was successful at what it did was because of Empathy, and business strategy. Of course we did get help from those that lurk in the shadows.

Q – Do things come from nowhere in regard to the ONA? From my experience in some cases, yes, in some cases, no. I’m glad you mentioned Jung – it brings me to another point. Our own nexion put forth a belief that the Cosmos gave rise to THEM as one sign of a collective desire for psychic evolution. Increasing consciousness and optimism for such phenomena as dreaming as one means to ‘open a dialogue’ with the unconscious, are an important part of our work, and relates to an attempt to shift the egocentric focus of the occult from a human-centred perspective to a life-centred perspective thus placing the human in context – and in doing so – transcending the thought processes that naturally occur when one perceives one’s seat of consciousness to be firmly placed in the skull. In addition to this – the phenomenon called Synchronicity – is an important element in the Temple, wherein be believe THEM will naturally attract others to it by way of some unknown operant acausal force manifesting on the causal plane and calling those ready to embrace a psychic evolution that ‘bridges the ego and the self’.
WSA have already utilized several very interesting proposals and summaries regarding Morphic Resonance, Clanship, Chronomorphic Incubation, and more or less expressed a similar drive toward recognition of the Self and the Acausal that we have. Do you think this similarity seperated by time and space is due to the same influence of the themes of the ONA on the both of our nexions, or due to something outside of us, i.e. a Cosmic Being or Morphic Resonance?

Chloe: We also think our WSA was formed or came together by the Cosmic Being via what we might term “Morphogenic Propagation.” So I would have to say both of our nexions are not a product of ONA MSS, and I’ll try to explain how or why.

Let’s take a quartz chrystal as an example of Morphic Propagation – this is assuming we understand the basics of Morphic Resonance Theory. Quartz (SiO4) is a Causal “thing” composed of silicon-oxygen molecules. The silicon is in between two oxygen atoms. These silicon-oxygen molecules in turn come togetherin a very coherent structure. The question is, when that quartz thing is growing how does it know only to attract to its “body” just oxygen and silicon atoms? Why not nitrogen and carbon also? How does “it” know where to place each of it’s molecules to build up it’s causal form? Because there is an “ethereal,” or Acausal Memory Field which attracts only silicon and oxygen atoms. These silicon and oxygen atoms are “attracted” to this Memory Field because of the Field’s Resonance factor.

So in a way, there is a “phychic,” acausal “entity” which desires to manifest itself as quartz and it “knows” what causal components it wants to create it’s causal shell/body with. This acausal quartz entity Expresses itself causally through coherent silicon-oxygen format.

The ONA, THEM, and WSA is the same way. Before there was a causal manifestation of the ONA, there was what you might call an “Acausal ONA Field/Entity” which “desired” to manifest itself as a causal species. How would it do this? By resonating a specific psychic “vibration/aura” if you will. This in turn attracts the right types of people who resonante with this invisible living Acausal Field. This ONA Entity – a manifestation of the Cosmic Being – also utilizes other methods of calling our people to build itself an organic body via passing specific information that resonantes with it’s nature through its organic parts (us).

If you think about it as a writer, when we write “ONA” related material – me, you, Anton Long – we don’t consciously pre-plan each word and thought that is written. These thoughts and ideas just “flows” out of our minds – as is – onto paper. And through those writings, others of like resonance come forth to add themselves to the “body” of the ONA.

I personaly, honestly, believe that groups like THEM, and WSA are causal manifestatons via Morphogenic Propagation, of a “psychic” and/or Acausal Entity which is itself, as all things are – a living manifestation of the Cosmos.

Why else would we share this unwritten concept in common? Like you said we’re separaed by time and distance. The ONA started whenever in England. THEM started Australia. WSA started in America. All at different times – but yet we share unwritten factors in common. Your idea that the Cosmos gave birth to THEM, and our idea that a living Morphic Field gave birth to WSA weren’t really written down by AL in ONA MSS anywhere. It’s something genuinely esoteric – an “aural” Tradition and understanding if you will. The interesting question to ask ourselves is Why? Why has this Acausal Entity manifested itself.

Kayla- Something outside of us. It’s like the Collective Unconscious of Jung, or the Cosmic Being of Myatt were a radio station broadcasting different idea and thoughts outwards via different “frequencies” you see. Our Minds are then like the radio receivers that pick up those “frequencies.”

As with with a real radio – when you are tuned into one radio frequency, you only hear that single frequency – you are only consciously aware of what you are tuned into, and oblivious to the others.

If this is the case, then people like Myatt, you, and I think alike. Or rather, we share the same state of mind. Thus, were are in tune to the same Cosmic “frequencies,” or we tap into the same part of the collective unconscious mind – and therefore, we end up with very similar ideas and concepts.

I can’t say that the Cosmic Being itself specifically desired to create the ONA, THEM, and or the WSA. It’s like the Cosmos were a public library or the World Wide Web, with every kind of information you could imagine, offered to you. because we are all each unique individuals, with our own likes, we’ll go to different parts of this Cosmic Library and look for information we personally like to create and make something. That’s how I would see how the ONA, THEM, and WSA in relation to the Cosmic Being.

Q – The ONA is notoriously secretive and difficult to make contact with.
How did you set about achieving contact and solidifying the remarkable feat of what appears to be an official recognition of the WSA as a neo-nexion by the Order of Nine Angles?

Chloe: It was hard. It’s hard to describe how it feels from our perspective. It’s almost like you were walking in the woods at night and there are all these shadows and phantoms lurking around you watching. Or as if we were CIA agents on a mission surrounded by eyes and spies who are constantly testing your loyalty or something.

There this saying in the Order that goes: You don’t come to the ONA, the ONA comes to you. We just spent all our time during the past year just writing our minds, and honestly giving ourselves to the ONA by ourselves at first. Then the Temple of THEM found us and behind the scenes, often guided us or nurtured our Nexion.

As Debutantes we did meet up with a lot of antagonism, resistance, tests, trials, and opposition. There were times when we felt like quitting. But we kept on going steadfastly. Then all of a sudden all these Old Guards and Adepts from those shadows came out one by one to offer us their support, encouragement, and recognition of our work and effort for the Order.

Kayla- Sinister Strategy. Back when we were relatively unknown I was observing these disputes which were going on between the ONA and Blackwood. I figured if we jumped in the fight, and fight real loud, the ONA would realize we existed. So that’s what we did. We made a wordpress and specifically wrote things on their to provoke Blackwood to attack us all over the internet. Which he eventually did. In a few months he had flooded the entire world wide web with the name “WSA 352.”

Then I figured when the ONA had learned that their was an ONA nexion in america somewhere fighting Blackwood I told everyone to gradually fade out the fighting and since we had the ONA’s eyes on us, I started to write ONA stuff. We got to the point where we made peace with Blackwood, so we can devote all of our time to writing ONA stuff. I don’t want to sound like I’m full of myself but I tried to put out quality stuff that made the right ONA people think. All I needed was the right few ONA Adepts and Old Guards.

Then gradually Chloe made contacts, and we started to slowly gain support, then recognition for our work. It seems as thoe we are giving the ONA a makeover, but we aren’t. The whole ONA itself as a living being is moving forward. We just gave it a good kick in the bottom.

Q – The Order is regimented by a mostly masculine influence. In more than twenty years, it appears to have been headed by male outer representatives and comprised mostly of male members despite campaigning for a rise in sinister feminine participation. Did you/are you face/facing challenges in asserting your representation/views/ideas as women?

Chloe: Oh yeah! We figured, if your going to talk the talk about the sinister feminine stuff, the Order might as well walk the walk and let girls in. We thought it was going to be easy – like they would welcome us girls with open arms and listen to what we had to say. But it didn’t happen that way.

It was [and still is] frustrating to actually be a girl, who empathetically feels and understands the ONA and its essence, who can actually add a real sinister feminine anima to the ONA – but not believed to be girls. For the first part of the year everyone  – inside and outside the ONA – thought we were one of a handful of the “usual suspects” who were guys or Myatt himself who finally lost it. And out of some final act of lunacy or moribund desperation, pretended to be a group of teenybopper girls from Orange County California– lurking behind wordpresses and forums hacking people’s computers or attracting dumb young boys or something.

It’s so funny to us to imagine Myatt with his graying beard pretending to be a group of girls to attract idiot boys to brainwash them or something. But at the same time it’s sad, and at times it does hurt. Hurts because I really do see something I love about the ONA. And I give it everything I have which I can offer; but no one wants to just simply see that I’m just a girl who sees something in this old boy’s club that’s worth holding onto. Just because I’m a girl, doesn’t mean I’m stupid and can’t write, or understand – feel – intuit – empathize with what is in Myatt’s mind which he tried to express in all of his writings.

There is an imbalance of the animus in the ONA, and when a few educated and literate girls comes along who want to help bring balance to this ONA, all the boys seem to convulse and shriek in horror, not knowing what to do with us. Things are starting to get better though. We’ve had to use all the left brains we had to write high quality stuff to kick those boys’ asses [and egos] to get a little respect. Now we can work on nurturing the ONA’s Anima.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen the word “love” and ONA in the same sentence before. Sorry if this interview isn’t sinister and evil as the older form of the Order was. This reminds me of that Greek myth of Dark Hades who fell in love with the colorful and flowery Persephone. He brought her to his Kingdom of Darkness and made her Queen. And she would remodel the dreary décor of Hades with a little color and flowers – which Hades secretly liked.

This ONA is like that Dark Kingdom . There is most definitely a place and throne for the Sinister [Hades]; but by his side; there is a place and throne for the Numinous – the Beautiful, Sensual, Tender, Awe Inspiring, Heart Throbbing aspects of mortal existence [Persephone]. In this way, is the ONA whole – as Life itself is whole.

Kayla- I didn’t really face anything personally, besides Blackwood’s attacks on my person. I personally can’t emotionally deal with that kind of stuff. It gets to me, because I was barely our of high school and I’m used not use to people not liking me and being mean to me. After the Blackwood episode I didn’t want any more of this stuff, so I tried to actually destroy all our websites and forums. Chloe banned me from touching the computer and told me to concentrate on school while she took care of business. She’ll tell me about her ordeals sometimes, but she was sweet enough to shield me from the drama. she did this to keep me focused on writing ONA stuff that wasn’t “contaminated” with the shit going on in cyberspace.

I personally have near zero tolerance for on line games and the internet itself. It was fun when I was younger; but I’ve been over it. I just come on line to do my research; check my mail; and post articles. Then Chloe kicks me off before I delete anything LOL.

So, to be honest, I don’t have any emotions about this issue of asserting my womanness in the ONA. I just write something, then quickly post it hear, and leave. Chloe and Rich, and the others deal with the cyberdrama.

Q – I am not at all surprised you encountered difficulty; but I am impressed, and pleased, you overcame it. To my knowledge there were a number of women involved in the ONA, some of whom assisted CB in creating the Organum version of Aosoth and who wrote a number of the older ONA mss. But when I ventured upon the Order in 2000, these contributors were long gone – in fact it was a continual lament by many that there was such a one-sided masculine arrogance in the representation of the ONA; and to some extent aware of this danger, THEM tried hard to balance their own representation via the input of both sexes – but alas could not.

You were not alone however in trying to overcome this imbalance; there were two powerful female influences assisting my path and decisions in relation to ONA and THEM and WSA; both of which women contributed greatly to my own ability to get over myself and my arrogance – and I’m sure, women in the shadows everywhere behind their men, including AL, were doing the same.
Ultimately, this is not a battle of the sexes, nor do I wish to reduce it to one; I would ask however – not how do you think the ONA will adapt, change and grow with a sudden restoration of feminine influence, the effects of WSA can clearly be seen even now – but rather, what vision do you have for an extremely powerful entity like ONA, being psychically re-balanced? What is your expectation or dream for ONA to become?

Chloe: When this Entity that is the ONA is re-balanced, it can then breed it’s causal parts (us) into a genuine Sinister Nobility – a new kind of folk – with a new worldview – working collectively towards a common future.

My dream for the ONA is a simple one – almost silly. I want it to materialize – actualize – into a living Clan or Tribe. Into it’s own people sharing a common culture – Reichsfolk Culture, the Numinous Way, the ONA. I want to see it evolve gradually into a Tribe of blood related kin who live for one another, who are self sustaining, self reliant. A folk who will work together for the sake of their future progeny to leave this dying world and become Starseed.

I hate to make the ONA sound like some apocalyptic cult, but the earth isn’t getting any better. In a few years we will have pasted the point of no return, where we will not be able to fix the damage we have done to it. And our population is not going to shrink anytime soon.

It doesn’t take a scientist to figure out that is natural resources are depleting and dying out, and our population continually increases that the future is grim and live will be hard for our future children. There will be more wars and genocide over natural resources. Nations falling because they can’t sustain themselves. And if we as a species continue to do as we are doing, oblivious to the results of our collective mindless actions, we will eventually go extince as a species. If we don’t wake up now, and begin to lay the foundation and frame work of a way and means by which our bloodlines – our progeny – can use to escape; then we will all die out together as a species because of our stupidity and lack of understanding of Wyrd.

We must – as least us of the ONA – come together once more as One People- and together rebuild that Tower of Babel so that our own future offspring can climb it to the Stars to save themselves.

Kayla- To just see it last another ten years, so it can give meaning to the next coming generation. What they (the generation after my own) will do with it is their choice – the ONA being their inheritance. That’s what I hope for. I have a second Plan B if this doesn’t work. If for some reason the ONA should die; I’ll keep it and all I have written saved for my own children, and pass it to them, and make it a family Tradition. I don’t wish for much. the greater your expectations are, the bigger your disappointments will be.

You know, you can’t say that I didn’t try my best. I gave the ONA all the insight I got in hopes that it would bring balance. That more girls would see what I see in the ONA. That others will go see what I have done – making this nexion, writing new insightful material, duplicating AL’s efforts instead of just following him – and do as I and Myatt and you did… if not out do me by duplicating our efforts. I can’t make people like me. I can’t make people see what I see in the ONA. I can’t make people strive to put in the effort to give it new life. I can only express myself. I can’t do this alone. WE can’t do this alone.

I would like to see those who are interested in the ONA to study it – live it – then do what Myatt did, what you did, what I did, and even try and out do us. Make a better Nexion. Write better stuff, I don’t care, I want it to happen. Dream bigger than me. Out do me; because in the end you push the ONA forward – and this is all I genuinely want and expect. Nothing more.

Q – Do you think other women are likely to be more interested in, or join the WSA/ONA now that there is a strong female representation?

Chloe: In time. But it goes deeper than just having female representation – than just having a few girls writing and looking pretty. There is a psychic essence to it that goes deeper than just having girls in the Order.

Why are there more boys in the ONA then girls? Because the Order’s Animus is fully developed – vital – having come out of the mind of a man. That Animus has an “animal magnetism” which psychically attracts those guys who naturally resonate with the Order’s Animus. We have to first give the Order’s underdeveloped Anima the freedom to blossom as She wills. Then, will the Order’s Anima be vital enough to call forth girls that resonate with Her nature and essence. In time, more girls will come.

Kayla- Things like the ONA will always have a problem with women. That sounds mean, I know. Think about science. How many girls today major in a field of science. How about mathematics? Compared to boys. You see the difference?

You can have a load of strong minded girls in the ONA, like Nuclear Physics can have a bunch of hella smart ladies; but that doesn’t mean anything. Simply because these things (ONA, math, science) is Left Brain oriented and not domestic. It require a great deal of left brain thinking, and it deals with things outside the feminine concerns of things domestic. Girls are more right brained and emotional. Girls are more into socializing, social bonding, “domestic affairs,” networking, nurturing, talking, expressing themselves.

If you study products in stores that are marketed to girls they are things girls can use to express themselves with – clothes, make up, accessories… Fields in school that have a large number of girls in it allow them to express themselves, nurture, talk, share, bond – like nursing, teaching, social service… modeling. Think about it.

You have these structured institutions like the CoS or any of those other churches which are left brained – based on a pile of manuscripts – and when a girl tries to take those things and use them in a girl way to express herself – her mind, she’s seen as tampering with dogma. It’s hard for me to explain it.

As someone said – The ONA needs to be amorphous. It needs to allow itself to adapt to a girl’s right brainedness, to become an accessory, a something she can use to express herself with. I don’t see what I’m doing to the ONA as “changing it” or making it different. I’m just using it like any girl would, and this looks alien to those boys.

Gradually, if the ONA – the boy members – learns to allow it’s girl members to use the ONA in their own girl way, it will call to it more girls. Is this what the ONA wants? If not, it will gradually die of imbalance won’t it.
Q – You would have had certain expectations of the ONA when you went into this – what where they, and have they changed?

Chloe: I did have a conditioned expectation. I’m used to “joining” all those other groups and Satanic sects where they are more than happy to to accept me – or any new member – just to add to their collection of membership for the numbers. So I honestly expected to not meet with any resistance when I “applied” for recognition of my “ONA-ness” if you will. But this didn’t happened lol. And I’m glad that it didn’t because now I know that the ONA actually cares more for the Quality of it’s Initiates, then the quantity. And this in turn – the exclusivity – does create an elitism of quality members. You can feel this when you are communicating with genuine Initiates of the Order because everyone is very well read, very well educated, very insightful, and very talented in each of their own ways. As opposed to say, interacting with a forum of those Profane Satanist which is a joke.

Kayla- I personally had no real expectation. I started this with only one desire – to be recognized as a genuine Nexion. What I’m seeing happening to the ONA is a pleasant shock to me, honestly. All I am really doing is gossiping it. Just using ONA terms and expressions to express my own mind, fears, worries, desires, hopes, dreams – things that girls would do anyways together with anything – politics, religion… If you look closely at these things you will notice that when a girl adopts a political party or religion, she does with it what she does to everything – we somehow make it become all about us LOL and Our concerns, Our relationship problems, our domestic issues. We use these religions and political parties to just network to meet new people. Why? so we can bond and talk about issues that really matter to us – Us LOL!

No girl cares about the world guys! You have these political parties and religions that deal with the world like changing it, fixing global warming, revolution. Even if a girl joined such things, she would use it to network, find other girls to talk with, and talk about girl issues – domestic stuff that has things to do with HERSELF – her problems. When a boys says “The world is fucked up!” He means there is something wrong about the world and it needs to change, let revolt! When a girl says “The world is fucked up!” It means the economy is messed up and I’m worried, I need some one to talk to about this, so I can feel better. It’s really got nothing to do with the world.

What was the question about lol? No I didn’t have any expectations. I like the ONA. I came, I saw, I conquered. Hopefully, others will see what I did – what you did – what Myatt did, and out do us. That’s my only expectation. So far I have not seen it happen yet.

Q. Did the ONA explain to you why you were met with such resistance? And did you think the secrecy employed was justified?

Chloe: No I was never really briefed as to why I met with all that opposition, resistence, and friction. But as much as I was frustrated by it, and maybe I cried and felt like quiting a few times, I would change what happened. The ONA can’t just let any person with a website in.

There’s this old saying: Easy come, easy go. Think about all the ONA initiates that were given the ONA – that didn’t have to fight for it. You’ve named some. Where are they now? Gone. Gone because when we don’t personally struggle and strive for something, that something does not have any personal intrinsic value to us.

This would be one of the reasons why there are Ordeals in the Seven Fold Way. It’s thru our personal effort and struggle to execute those Ordeals and Grade Rituals, that makes the ONA Worth something to us – it becomes something worth holding onto.

Then take a look at yourself, and myself. You, like me went though a lot of antagonism, and resistence in the beginning in regards with the ONA. You’re still here – after 10 years – your still dedicated to THEM, and the ONA.

Us going through all that shady opposition for the past year was a “rite of passage.” A virtual hazing Ordeal. A test of worth, character, and dedication. Or as we say here: Blood in, Blood out.

It was hell to go through, but I don’t condemn such activities, so long as we know when to stop – when enough is enough. A year is good So I do think in the end the actions taken justifies itself. I fought for all this – it now has worth to me.

Kayla- I was generally unaware of any resistance because someone banned me from going near the computer in fear I might erase everything. I was just asked to write certain things, and I did, and I posted them here. That was it.

I don’t understand why there needs to be bitching and crying with this. It’s not like porn. If they don’t like what we have to say her – DON’T READ IT. If you like it – FINE. If it makes you think – WONDERFUL. If not – DO I CARE? If it inspires you to go out and out do me – PERFECT. Why the resistance? It’s a single website guys. How much fear do you have for a single website?

Anyways, I guess some of those guys out there in both Profane Land and ONA Land get asshurt because they got their asses kicked by girls. Jealous, because not only are we pretty, and smart, but we can write hella entertaining stories!

Q- One unfortunate (or fortunate) aspect of being good at shape-shifting is that when you get good enough – you lose your shape altogether, that is to say the individual becomes engulfed by the collective. With Myatt having shown his adeptness at being so many characters in so many contradictory roles, as a result he is suspected to be everywhere.
This is a common occurence with the ONA and related forms and when THEM began it was widely believed to be a product of Myatt for rejuvenating the Order too. I understand your frustration at not being recognized as an independant creator and contributor to the ONA, but I know you also came to percieve the ONA as something that was channeled through Myatt – presumably something that alleviated your frustration at being mistaken for someone else. You’ve suggested that individualism is largely unneccessary to continue his work; how important do you think the individual is in relation to the future of the ONA; and do you think individualism can be preserved within a group/clan or must it be sacrificed to the objectives of the collective?

Chloe: I guess there is a little confusion with our choice of words. When I say “individualism” I mean to say a single person who is emotionally, physically, and psychologically a segregated unit. A unit who has been forced – conditioned – to be self-reliant, and not trust others. This Individual unit has no body it can depend on, nobody to share its load, nobody to ease its suffering. When this individual unit is out of a job, it starves and becomes homeless, because every other individual unit has been conditions, indoctrinated, programmed, to not live for others, care for others, mutually aid others.

When I say “Collective” I mean to say a group of individuals who have come together in a mutual bond – not to think alike – but to live for one another, to work together and for each other’s welfare; in the spirit of exclusive mutual aid, and mutual dependency. To funnel or collect their combined force and energy into a synergy to get things done for the group’s benefit.

I don’t mean to suggest a Collective as the Borg Collective (Star Trek) where you annihilate your individuality for a single Collective Mind. Quite the opposite. Dissolving your individual mind for a single collective mind or even thinking alike harms the Cosmic Being, and hinders the Cosmic Intent as to why It (the Cosmos) has taken the time to manifest difference and variation in its many, many causal manifestations.

To illustrate lets pretend an artist got stranded on an island by itself and it was alone. To spend it’s time, this artist makes sculptures and paints – expressing its unique creativity. But at some point in this artist’s life time alone on the island, it will come to the realization that no matter how creative it’s own mind is, and how beautiful its paintings and sculptures are: It is LIMITED. The artist realizes that it’s single mind is a limit to its evolution. How does this artist go about breaking that limit?

By giving birth out of it’s mind [or Life Force] new minds – as if the artist were day dreaming many characters. It would then give each of these new minds the freedom to evolve into their own unique artist, with their own unique artistic style and interpretation. Thus, through its many, many unique manifestation, this artist surmounts or goes beyond it’s own limitations. Or if you want to put in simple terms: having two heads is better than one.

The Cosmic being is the same way I would think. Each of us are a living, evolving, free manifestation of this Being. And as we as unique individuals think our own thoughts, and grow our own mind, perspectives, creativity, and such – we add that to this Being – from which it evolves. Or another way to put it – this Cosmic Being is like a CIA Director. instead of it as a single person going out to collect intelligence – which is limited – it makes hundreds of independent intelligence agents and sends them out – who all report their intelligence back to it. Thus this CIA Director becomes more than the sum of its parts and evolves exponentially.

I don’t mean to suggest that we give up our individual minds and unique nature for a group. I mean to suggest that we should learn to live together, for each other, and our progeny as a cooperative.

Kayla- It’s about Synergy, not about obliterating our egos for a collective soul, or a common thought process you know? Nobody can force you to become a better person but you. It’s your inner alchemy. You own personal inner quest. In this regards, the ONA as it is is still very important on an individual level – but also learn to work – cooperate – in a group. A Clan, a Tribe – for your own benefit, as well as the welfare of your tribesmate. Because if we as Initiates of the ONA genuinely understand it, Myatt, his Numinous Way, and his Reichfolk. Then socially being part of a clan in the physical/causal expression of all that you have  – or should have – learned and come to understand. You can’t do anything as an individual besides thinking for yourself, living your own life, and striving to be a better person.

Everything else in life requires Relationships, Cooperative Effort, the Humanness of Social Interaction – caring for others who will reciprocate that care you see? Relieving the suffering of others in return for relief. Working for others welfare, in return for them to work for ours. Working as a group to help each other achieve self-reliance and financial independence from the Ten Percenters – so that we can reclaim our lives from the servitude we were all born in. This work of Liberation requires synergy, group effort, tribalism. Not a tribe of untermenschen. A Tribe of the Noble Blooded, Nobel Minded, Noble Willed – the end Product of the Seventh Way – a Tribe of Kings and Warriors.

Q – Say someone wants to help the WSA grow in power, achieve its aims, to contribute in some way directly or indirectly to its expansion – what are some practical ways for someone to do this?

Chloe: If someone that resonated with our quality came and wanted to help our WSA, I would first honestly suggest they go out like an ONA Initiate who understand his craft and profession should,and create his own unique tribe, clan, nexion or whatever and then align his own tribe with the common vision and goals – working as a sister nexion to our WSA – like how WSA is to THEM.

But if this person really desires to be a member of this WSA, I would then suggest that he takes what the WSA is as of now, and adds his own unique mind to it, to take the WSA into his own hands and progress it forward as he wills. This way rather than have followers maintaining what the WSA is, we instead have an army of equals progressing and evolving the WSA into many directions and avenues and ventures. But if this person needs to be told what to do, and how to do things, then don’t even bother “apply” or sending in your resume. WSA isn’t a daycare center. I really don’t want to be anyone’s mommy or nanny. I can barely think for myself, let alone for others. Hey, but if they’re girls and they’re dumb, that’s ok then. We always need more sisters [of whatever mental caliber] as breeders, I’m sure most of our 352 brothers won’t mind a clueless bimbo sister once in a while.

Kayla- That’s an easy question to answer – Out Do Us. I challenge any body interested in the ONA, not to join WSA; but to make your own Nexions, write your own material, and Out Do Us. Take the ONA, WSA even, and challenge us. Challenge Anton Long. Or you’ll always be a student and never a master. In genuine Martial Arts schools in Asia, you are not a Master of the Style until you have challenged your own Sifu (Master) and beat him. Otherwise you’re just a mere pupil like the rest. This should cause the average ONA Initiate to rethink what he is in the ONA – One who leads, or one who is lead. If you haven’t challenged Anton Long – learned his mind, his style – duplicate his efforts, then you are a sheep following your Pretty Bow Peep. Traveling a path someone else worked hard to cut and burn – because you don’t have it in you to do what he did. Because all you did was pick up a book of manuscripts and agreed – like a Yes Man… yes sir Mr. Long! Anything you say sir!

Q – The ONA is infamous for its reputation as a Satanic Organization. Does ‘Satan’, by any description, have any role or function within the WSA? If so, how does Satan feature a) within your nexion and b) within your own personal weltanshcauung?

Chloe: “Officially” in the WSA, “Satan” is reinterpreted into the Sanskrit word: “Satana,” which means to “bring down,” “call down,” “destroy,” or “cut out.” From it’s Sanskrit meaning, we thus understand “Satan” to be the Acausal itself – that feral life force that permeates the Cosmos and Nature which is beyond the human value-conception of “good” and “evil.” A “Satanist” in this 352 context would be a person who works with the Acausal – to “bring down” the acausal to “cut out” and “destroy” the old pre-fayen aeon and it’s old aeonic manifestation. A Satanist, in this context is also a person who is in harmony with that Force which permeated the Living Cosmos – which is the Cosmos – who is in harmony with Primal Nature, and his/her Feral Humaness. That Humaness and understanding of Life and Nature that once existed before it was defiled by religion, and even human abstraction and “value-system-judgement.”

My personal weltanshauung of Satan? I personally believe that since this physical universe is a condensation/materialization of the Acausal/”Satan” – the Cosmos is miniture expression. That since we are all this same Life, and Cosmic Being in different forms; that those closest to me are in essence my Satan whom I love, am devoted to, and adore: To adore the living, is to adore life. I know this doesn’t sound sinister or evil as some would like. To me how I see “Satan” personally is more Numinous – Beautiful. But isn’t the very Cosmos itself more Numinous than Sinister?

There will come a point in each of our personal progression – each of our private illumination – where we become whole in our beingness and leave the human-made abstractions of dualism behind. And all that will be left at that moment of Feeling is the infinite Numinous Supernal Essence which lives beneath all things and is all things – me and you – embraced by the star glittered Cosmos – our Home and Mother.

Kayla- To me personally if “Satan” exists, it existed long before whatever names we have given to it. Things like Satan, the Cosmos, Eternity, Infinity are beyond our emotional grasp. These are just silly words we toss around like we know-feel what they really are when we don’t. We break eternity down into bite size pieces like time and seasons. We break infinity down into thinkable pieces like light-year, miles, meters, and inches. The Universe is reduced into quaint pictures of nebulae, galaxies, and equations on a chalk board.

Anyone that says they genuinely know-feel-behold “Satan,” the Cosmic Being, the Supreme Beauty, or whatever one chooses to humanly refer to it is talking shit.

Whatever it is, it should remain in it’s eternal, infinate, and absolute essence – something to be experienced through the Life it has given us. It is something we evolve into. During which evolution, we each grow deeper in our understandings of the ineffable mystery which is IT – in it’s own season and time.

For now, all that needs to be known is that it has given us mortal life – something to live – experience – learn – grow from by the mindful apprehension; the conscious touching; of that feral, untamed, primal, sinister essence of which life is in it’s pure state. That state uncontaminated by human values, opinions, thoughts, and assertions. This is all I will admit I know – all I need. Beyond this, it is all conjecture, just the synaptic firings of a mere three pound brain which arrogantly thinks it knows of things beyond the reach of its minuscule axons.

Q – It would be unfair to ask you to elaborate at length on the philosophy of the WSA, or have you repeat here what has already been recorded via the numerous excellent essays hosted on ona.nxs wordpress by the WSA. But you mentioned before that you encountered heavy resistance to the WSA from the ONA, not just as girls, but as introducers of something new – and I know this, because I was part of that resistance.
Many of the members of THEM or Mvimaedivm who are long-time ONA advocates or practitioners were placed in a difficult position when THEM refused to acknowledge the WSA; wanting to support it but torn between loyalties.
Now that those difficulties have Finally been resolved and our Temple is no longer resisting but using its network to strongly support the rise of the WSA – do you think there will be any further resistance?

Chloe: As I tried to say earlier, I don’t hold anything against THEM or anyone regarding what had transpired. It was a needed and required rite of passage. “Getting jumped in” as they say on the streets here, to show how “down” you are with the hood – Brotherhood, Sisterhood.

I don’t believe there will be anymore resistance from the genuine body of the ONA. But you know me and my boys will be inside those new nexions that will come passing them through the gauntlet

Kayla- I really hope not. We’re on the same team here. There’s nothing wrong with the friendly competition of siblings – because these competitions produces innovation and progression. We just have to understand that we are of the same Blood and Kindred of the same Dark, which we each Presence in our own way uniquely.
Q – if someone interviews you after me, what questions would be stupid to ask?

Chloe: LOL. Something like: Are you gay?

Kayla- Are you Kris or Myatt or both? LOL…

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Thank you both for answering my questions, May Dark Ones Watch Over You.

ISS,